Comments on: Henan Provincial Museum: Beginnings to Han Dynasty http://www.garyleetodd.com/chinese-museums-online/henan-provincial-museum-beginnings-to-han-dynasty/ From the beginnings of civilization to the present Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:37:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: leefoxx1949 http://www.garyleetodd.com/chinese-museums-online/henan-provincial-museum-beginnings-to-han-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-44 leefoxx1949 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:45:46 +0000 http://www.garyleetodd.com/?p=12#comment-44 I cannot date the piece more precisely without access to records of the actual excavation, assuming that such records still exist. I do know we have incontrovertible evidence of the use of stirrips by the time of the Northern Wei Dynasty. The concensus of opinion seems to be that they were introduced into China by the time of the Eastern Han by way of northern "barbarian" peoples such as the Xiongnu. But so far as I know the precise origin is unknown. I have seen different opinions by different experts, probably because that question is nowhere answered by the written records, and the archaeological evidence is at best ambiguous. I'm willing to hear more informed opinions than I am able to give. G. Todd I cannot date the piece more precisely without access to records of the actual excavation, assuming that such records still exist. I do know we have incontrovertible evidence of the use of stirrips by the time of the Northern Wei Dynasty. The concensus of opinion seems to be that they were introduced into China by the time of the Eastern Han by way of northern “barbarian” peoples such as the Xiongnu. But so far as I know the precise origin is unknown. I have seen different opinions by different experts, probably because that question is nowhere answered by the written records, and the archaeological evidence is at best ambiguous. I’m willing to hear more informed opinions than I am able to give.
G. Todd

]]> By: pierre-andré poncet http://www.garyleetodd.com/chinese-museums-online/henan-provincial-museum-beginnings-to-han-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-43 pierre-andré poncet Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:35:39 +0000 http://www.garyleetodd.com/?p=12#comment-43 Dear Mr Todd, the Photo 311 of 349, Henan Provincial Museum 1, Zhengzhou (prehistory through Han Dynasty) is a very interesting picture: a horse with saddle and stirrup. Can you give a datation with more precision. Mary Aiken Littauer (Early stirrups, Antiquity Journal Vol 55:214, 1981 pp 99-105) mean that the stirrup first appears in northeast China by the fourth century AD. What is your opinion? with kinds regards pa poncet Dear Mr Todd,
the Photo 311 of 349, Henan Provincial Museum 1, Zhengzhou (prehistory through Han Dynasty) is a very interesting picture: a horse with saddle and stirrup. Can you give a datation with more precision. Mary Aiken Littauer (Early stirrups, Antiquity Journal Vol 55:214, 1981 pp 99-105) mean that the stirrup first appears in northeast
China by the fourth century AD.
What is your opinion?

with kinds regards
pa poncet

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